tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post176798470588048967..comments2012-10-31T21:33:25.937-05:00Comments on Es Pura Mentira: Tithing and Paid ClergySoy Yohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11264081185626897923noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-63490306549990469722009-03-07T01:12:00.000-06:002009-03-07T01:12:00.000-06:00P.S. oops I forgot to add that the General Authori...P.S. oops I forgot to add that the General Authorities and first presidency of the LDS church do receive an income/stripend. So the LDS can not claim in all honesty that there is no paid clergy. I don't know how much of a stripend, but they do receive compsensation.<br><br>FYI,<br>gloriagloriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-12950663559077751422009-03-07T01:10:00.000-06:002009-03-07T01:10:00.000-06:00Barcelona, Spain! wow -- my family is from galicia...Barcelona, Spain! wow -- my family is from galicia. My parents are cuban but their parents were gallegos. I served my mission in B.S. Argentina. ( 1990-91)<br><br>I wanted to add and say great post... and I agree! My kids and I also attend a non denominational fellowship and I am amazed at how in depth the teaching is! Amazed! I recall vividly the dry LDS meetings and hearing talks that were not well prepared or doctrinally incorrect. Then there was the youth talks that more often than not were ill prepared as well. The problem with that is that people need to be fed living waters and and the bread of life and they are certainly not receiving it. <br><br>I recall the first time I attended a bible study... I was starving... I felt like an orphan who had not eaten for years..... I could not get enough of the Word of God. I took notes and hung on ever word the pastor spoke. Oh how hungry I was for God's word!<br><br>My heart aches for the lost in the LDS church.. for my friends who are starving for spiritually food that they do not receive. They get fed 'programs' instead of living water and the bread of life.<br><br>Great post and so true,<br><br>Gloriagloriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03746787843582356037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-13892853228593595142009-01-26T12:34:00.000-06:002009-01-26T12:34:00.000-06:00Was it an angel of light who took the plates away?...Was it an angel of light who took the plates away?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-92147408956651162582009-01-26T09:33:00.000-06:002009-01-26T09:33:00.000-06:00Pop’s,There really is no way to study the Book of ...Pop’s,<br>There really is no way to study the Book of Mormon like you do the Bible. When looking at the Bible, you go back to the original text in Hebrew and Greek to get a better understanding of what the passages mean. There is nothing to go back and look at with the BoM because the plates, which probably never really existed, were conveniently taken away by an angel. That is actually for the best because I think they would have a hard time explaining what “Reformed Egyptian” is, why no one else has ever seen it, and why Jews who had just left Jerusalem were writing in Egyptian and not Hebrew.Soy Yohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11264081185626897923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-91128627251590309772009-01-26T08:47:00.000-06:002009-01-26T08:47:00.000-06:00pops have you READ the Book of mormon? Doing line ...pops have you READ the Book of mormon? Doing line by line exposition would be so boring that people would be making nooses in the back of the church! How many times can you exegete "and it came to pass"?<br><br>most of the talks when we were mormons were self-help talks or regurgitations of something a general authority said with a couple of out of context Scripture quotes.Arthur Sidohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-68273006260747948952009-01-24T00:35:00.000-06:002009-01-24T00:35:00.000-06:00Most of the churches that I have been in do exeget...Most of the churches that I have been in do exegetical exposition. That is they go thru the bible line by line and expound it. Usually they do one book and when they are finished go to another book. <br><br>I think that the book of mormon most certainly would not stand up to that kind of scrutiny. What do you think, soy yo?popsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-45039416301262971262009-01-22T21:39:00.000-06:002009-01-22T21:39:00.000-06:00I can see what you are saying. Complacency is a v...I can see what you are saying. Complacency is a virus in any church. If it is not addressed early on, it only gets worse. The pastor has to be able to instill in his congregation a passion for participating and learning. Perhaps that is where “small groups” come into play. I admit that I have only been to a few but they seem like a place where individuals are really encouraged to grow by studying, listening and teaching.Soy Yohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11264081185626897923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-57885114300909901892009-01-22T20:56:00.000-06:002009-01-22T20:56:00.000-06:00The new background is much better, some of the coo...The new background is much better, some of the cool templates require you to change the font. I struggle with it on my main blog all the time, I think I finally have it though!<br><br>Back on topic though, I do have some concerns about the single pastor model where one man preaches and everyone else receives. When I was pastoring a church I worked full time and still put in the prep time for two full length expository sermons on Sunday's. I did get paid but I could have done without it. My worry is that by subcontracting all of the responsibilities to the pastor, the rest of the congregation can get lazy or preaching can turn into performance. I do appreciate great preaching though, it is an issue I am really trying to work through.Arthur Sidohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-69888704440140329842009-01-21T13:15:00.000-06:002009-01-21T13:15:00.000-06:00Profanity serves two primary purposes: To obscure ...Profanity serves two primary purposes: To obscure the issues being discussed by focusing attention on itself. And to alienate those being addressed. Neither purpose furthers intelligent conversation and shows the perpetrator to be of questionable character and motives.<br><br>So bravo soy yo in keeping your site free of it.popsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-14815172074019174072009-01-20T21:52:00.000-06:002009-01-20T21:52:00.000-06:00The above comment was deleted because the author h...The above comment was deleted because the author has proven through out the past few days that he is incapable of making intelligent remarks and sees if fit to only tear down me as well as others who participate here. I will not let it slide any longer.Soy Yohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11264081185626897923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-18564107730027177612009-01-20T18:51:00.000-06:002009-01-20T18:51:00.000-06:00Appearantly the background I liked sucked!!! No w...Appearantly the background I liked sucked!!! No worries I think we did good with this one honey!!!<br><br>Mark you punk:)<br><br>Amy...Doug's Better HalfSoy Yo's one and only true wife:)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-56240772330133848472009-01-20T18:39:00.000-06:002009-01-20T18:39:00.000-06:00I really have to agree with you, Soy Yo. I get so...I really have to agree with you, Soy Yo. I get so much more out of a sermon where the preacher has had enough time to prepare. I'm not opposed to part-time pastors either, in small churches, where they work part-time and supplement their income from tithes and offerings, but I believe supporting our pastors and teachers is Biblical (as you and the other commenters have already pointed out). I would much rather have a paid pastor who brings fresh, new insights from his personal time spent in the Word and prayer than the open mic option. Yuk! I've never been a big fan of open mics in churches - it can be pretty unpredictable! :)<br><br>And, yes, this background is way easier to read! :) Thank you. Love your posts. Keep up the good work!jessicasheleyhttp://jessicasheley.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-31991381748934801472009-01-20T18:37:00.000-06:002009-01-20T18:37:00.000-06:00Oh, I’m sorry Mark, are you still talking?Oh, I’m sorry Mark, are you still talking?Soy Yohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11264081185626897923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-74606481105553306312009-01-20T17:39:00.000-06:002009-01-20T17:39:00.000-06:00Mark,You say that you only come here to read hypoc...Mark,<br><br>You say that you only come here to read hypocrisy, character flaws, and lack of integrity. I feel that is exactly what Soy Yo is trying to show you about the Mormon church. <br><br><br>HTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-38796232363034108172009-01-20T17:27:00.000-06:002009-01-20T17:27:00.000-06:00paying clergy is not doctrine. to finish...flag re...paying clergy is not doctrine. <br><br>to finish...<br><br>flag refers to your faith...what religion ard you..i have no need to read your blog.<br><br>other people already address your facts,church history, doctrine, etc... i choose to focus on the character flaws...hypocrisy, integrity. <br>when you find a new religion let me know and we can anslyze it...or get some integrity and go steve benson ...atheist.marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-8203472291725093112009-01-20T16:39:00.000-06:002009-01-20T16:39:00.000-06:00Is that better?Is that better?Soy Yohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11264081185626897923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-82056158925450869602009-01-20T16:10:00.000-06:002009-01-20T16:10:00.000-06:00I'm not a fan of the new background either.I'm not a fan of the new background either.amarettonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-30296661341488200222009-01-20T15:47:00.000-06:002009-01-20T15:47:00.000-06:00I'll second arthur's comments about the ba...I'll second arthur's comments about the background; it is very hard to read.<br><br>Here's another verse; it actually follows the verse I cited:<br><br>18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.<br><br>So this would seem to me to be a major error, seeing that the mormons claim continuing revelation, unless of course the deity has changed His mind on the subject. <br><br>The bible says that God does not change. It seems that the mormon god changes all the time. It's stay tuned for the latest developments. Or texas weather: If you don't like the weather today, that's ok, it'll be different tomorrow.popsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-18857574247358468942009-01-20T13:34:00.000-06:002009-01-20T13:34:00.000-06:00Maybe it is just me but your new blog background i...Maybe it is just me but your new blog background is really hard to read!Arthur Sidohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-20407695791647172182009-01-20T11:44:00.000-06:002009-01-20T11:44:00.000-06:00Well here's another verse for you soy yo:1Ti 5...Well here's another verse for you soy yo:<br><br>1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.<br><br>Honour means pay, as in honorarium. Also as in, honour your father and mother. Which means take care of them when they are not able to take care of themselves.popsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-68597757072266264482009-01-20T09:58:00.000-06:002009-01-20T09:58:00.000-06:00Sido, I don’t think I have ever seen that verse so...Sido, <br><br>I don’t think I have ever seen that verse so thank your for sharing. It seems that every day I find something else in the Bible that I never knew was there. <br><br>I used to have a problem with paid ministry but now that I have seen the amount of time and energy these people put into their work, it does not bother me. I’m sure there are some bad examples of pastors who abuse the well intended offerings but there are some great stewards out there as well who take this responsibility seriously.Soy Yohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11264081185626897923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4748854314554240432.post-83968278536306138552009-01-20T09:16:00.000-06:002009-01-20T09:16:00.000-06:00The key New Testament passage dealing with this is...The key New Testament passage dealing with this is in 1 Corinthians 9. There Paul speaks of the right he has to earn a living by preaching the Gospel, specifically in verses 13-14:<br><br><i>13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? 14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.</i><br><br>I caught some missionaries in this when they asserted that there was nowhere in the Bible that speaks of paying preachers. They seemed a little flabbergasted that they had never been taught this.<br><br>Now, Paul also speaks of the fact that he doesn't accept money to preach so that no one can accuse him of using the Gospel ministry for his own gain. I actually am not a huge fan of the paid, professional ministry but it is not a concept without Biblical support. It is just another one of the places where mormonism makes a claim and no one checks into it to see if it is true.Arthur Sidohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.com